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Alan Gor's avatar

Clive, this is a really clear and sensible take.

What stands out most is how you strip away the “elimination” talk and bring it back to reality. It sounds strong, but it assumes people will just stop wanting nicotine. That’s not going to happen, and once you accept that, the whole idea starts to fall apart.

Your point about the two possible outcomes is spot on. Either better, safer products replace cigarettes and the industry fades out naturally, which is a win, or strict bans push everything underground and hand it to the black market, which is obviously worse. That doesn’t reduce harm, it just makes it harder to control.

The part about regulation protecting big tobacco is also really important. A lot of the rules meant to fight the industry actually end up helping the biggest players stay in control, while smaller, more innovative companies get pushed out.

And your main point hits the mark. The goal shouldn’t be to wipe out the tobacco industry or nicotine completely, it should be to get rid of smoking. That’s a much more realistic goal and one we can actually achieve.

Letting better products replace worse ones, and making sure the system supports that, just makes more sense. It might not sound as dramatic as an “endgame,” but it actually works.

Dragan Miletic's avatar

Every country on this planet sells cigarettes, tobacco, some sort of a nicotine delivery system. Roghly some 15 to 18 countries have a state monopoly on tobacco and when you look at the countries in question, that is some 3.5 billion people. So good luck with eliminating that kind of tobacco industry.

As in regards of legal western tobacco industries, they are also know to use quite illegal ways to push their products.

In the early 90s Phillip Morris used the smuggling routes from Italy via Monte Negro via Serbia to smuggle their products to Eastern Europe. Those profits never showed up in any of their profits reports. After the fall of socialism in Eastern Europe the big tobacco companies bought the local ones dead cheap and rebranded them all into the well-known Marlboros, Camels, Winston s, etc.

Now, for those who wants to eliminate the whole industry, good luck.

It looks good in the media and TV, such a noble aim, attacking those windmills.

Politicians and people like Michael Bloomberg like to be associated with them and " help", because it shows them in a light of good, caring people that want to save the society.

What will come out of it? Nobody knows.

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